How's that Working Out For You? Adventures in Democracy, was Teaching Industrial Relations in Vietnam

In order to translate the core assumptions of collective bargaining for Vietnamese undergraduates, I have had to turn my attention to the way democracy is actually practiced in our own country.

Each History is Unique — January 3, 2016

Each History is Unique

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The NAFTA border wall between the US and Mexico: Labor walks while capital flies

We are preparing for the meeting on January 14 which will bring together labor people with different perspectives on the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP). The TPP is the only trade agreement that Vietnam has signed that has a Labor Side Agreement. The TPP Labor Side Agreement requires some major changes in Vietnamese labor that appear to force it to become more like the US system. One of these requirements is to sign on to ILO Declarations permitting the establishment of independent, autonomous unions. This is making some people ask us questions about how things work in the US.

Joe wrote the following piece as a way of thinking through how to respond to their questions.


Now that TPP seems possible, people in Vietnam are wondering what shifting to autonomous, independent unions would be like. They ask questions like:

How do you start a new union? What if there is already a union at a workplace?
How does the AFL CIO control its members? 
Do unions compete?  Are independent autonomous unions strong?  How can someone represent the workers if they are paid by the employer? Who pays union staff? Who pays local union workplace representatives? Can blue collar workers lead unions? Can blue-collar workers lead white-collar workers? Does pluralism in unions lead to pluralism in politics?

Another question that should be asked is, “Will the changes required under TPP contribute to labor peace?” “Labor peace” is a tricky concept. It refers to a situation in which things are stable, not completely up for grabs or, in the case of Vietnam specifically, not punctuated by unpredictable wildcat strikes. But it presumes that we have already considered the over-arching question, “Is TPP going to be good for the Vietnamese and US working class?”

The planners of this discussion of the TPP-US-Vietnam Labor Side Agreement have asked for a brief introduction to certain distinctive aspects of the US labor movement. This is not meant to be a general introduction or a comparison between US and Vietnam labor practices. It is rather meant to respond to specific questions that our Vietnamese colleagues have asked, by highlighting significant aspects of the US labor movement and explaining where they come from.

How History Marks the US Labor Movement

Many aspects of class struggle, the conflict between labor and capital, are universal to all labor movements. However, every labor movement makes its own history. In its structure and functioning today, the US labor movement shows distinctive marks of having emerged during 200 years under capitalism.


  1. The American working class up until the mid 20th century was mostly immigrant or immigrants’ children. This is still true today: compared to the population as a whole, workers are immigrants and immigrants’ children, coming from Asia, Europe, and Latin America and Africa, drawn by the relatively higher wages in the US. This shapes who organizes, how they organize, what they organize, and the divisions they have to overcome in order to organize. The difference now is that native-born people are no longer rising out of the working class in mass numbers, but rather falling into it.


  1. However, much of the central labor in building the US economy, both in the period before the emergence of the labor movement in the early 1800s and after, was performed by enslaved workers, mostly black. The system of black life racial chattel slavery was largely established to divide the popular majority and ensure the failure of any challenge to the minority ruling class since the 1670’s. The racist ideology of white supremacy that justified slavery continues to impact the whole of society, justify discrimination, and divide the working class.


  1. At the same time, across US history the resistance to union organization and workers’ struggles by employers, and the government they mostly control, has been more violent and militant than in any other country in the world.


  1. Unlike most other countries, whether colonized or colonizers, the free white male citizen section of the US working class achieved political rights – the right to vote, serve on committees, hold political office – before a major labor movement had consolidated. This may be one of the main reasons why the American labor movement developed largely as a one-handed union movement. It never included a political hand as in a labor, socialist, social democratic, Communist or other revolutionary mass party. This means that the American labor movement has always had to relate to a two-party system in which both are dominated by pro- capitalist business interests.


  1. Perhaps partly because of #4, there has always been debate about what the proper role and scope the labor movement should be. Is the labor movement properly seen as only unions that bargain for members on the job as their main role? Or does it include organizations such as cooperatives, credit unions, working class housing organizations, worker centers, immigrant worker groups, and legal aid centers? Should unions concern themselves only with their own members’ needs on the job or should they speak to all the needs that workers have, individually and as a class?


Although we say “union” in both Vietnam and the US, comparing our histories should warn us that unions in each place will be different in many ways.


Distinctive Features of the US Labor Movement

These historical forces and current pressures have given rise to a US labor movement that has distinctive characteristics, including its shrinkage in recent years. It should not be assumed that the Vietnamese labor movement shares these characteristics; on the contrary, Vietnamese labor, arising from its own history, has its own distinctive characteristics.


  1. The US labor movement is not centrally controlled or centralized, but rather loosely federated. The AFL CIO is a voluntary federation of national unions with no centralized power to give commands. The biggest union in the US is the National Education Association and it is not a member of the AFL-CIO. A group of other unions split off in 2005 but some of them are back, re-affiliated. The AFL-CIO also has state and local bodies that individual local and intermediate unions may or may not voluntarily affiliate with.


  1. Unions are organized on a multiplicity of bases, some on the basis of craft work that people did, others by industry, others have become more general unions linked by a philosophy of unionism or by just whomever they could organize. Many individual unions represent mixed models. When a new group of workers want to organize, several unions may compete for their vote in an election. Today a much great % of public workers are in unions than in private employment, a reversal of history up to the 1970’s.


  1. Most of the activity and resources of organized labor is at the level of national unions, which have local unions and usually intermediate bodies, district or state.

Most organizing of new unions takes place by these national unions, or their local or intermediate bodies. In the private sector organizing is regulated by federal labor law (NLRA) which defines a union as a collective bargaining organization with a defined bargaining unit which it is certified to bargain for with the employer. Once it demonstrates majority support in a bargaining unit through an election or other means, that union is obligated to represent all the workers in that bargaining unit whether they choose to join the union or not and the employer is obligated to bargain with it “in good faith”, but is not required to agree to a CBA. Bargaining units cannot include managers above a certain level. Therefore only one union can represent a particular group of workers in a defined bargaining unit. However the bargaining rights of this union can be challenged by another union, or by a workers’ petition for decertification to “no union”. Both of these do happen, though rarely. Unions and collective bargaining in the public sector are regulated by the various states, which vary greatly.


  1. Unions are funded by membership dues. In the US, it has been illegal since 1935 for the union to receive direct money from the employer. Depending on how much money a union has, it may pay hired staff and elected leaders to do union work and may also bargain for paid time off the job for union work to be done. However, most local activists are not on union payroll but do their waged work for the employer. They are protected in their union work by law and by union solidarity. Most unions bargain that the employer will deduct the dues from workers pay and remit it to the union monthly. Some states allow unions to charge nonmembers a fee for the collective bargaining (negotiating and grievance handling) services they receive. This issue is under great debate in the US today.


  1. Technically, all unions in the US are independent autonomous unions in the sense that they are not centrally controlled, though they must abide by both the constitutions and bylaws of their national affiliates (if they are affiliated locals) and by the regulating labor laws. Some local unions are strong, educate and actively involve their members, bargain good contracts and protect workers. Others may become “company” unions and are essentially extensions of management. Independence or autonomy, either of higher affiliation or of the government or a political party, is clearly not a guarantee of strength or good representation in the US.


  1. Union leaders both at the top and at the workplace level are elected, though by varying processes, some more open and democratic than others. Many important labor leaders came out of the workforce, were elected because they were respected and trusted and then got their training later, as they took more and more important positions. An activist union will invest heavily in education for members. Rich Trumka, president of the AFL CIO, was himself a miner and a member of the UMW, but also got a law degree.


  1. The US labor movement, as mentioned before, does not have a party. There is no single voice and no requirement that political leaders listen to labor leaders. In recent decades, especially since the 1930s, the majority of the labor movement has usually related to the Democratic Party. Many top labor leaders serve on the Democratic National Committee and other bodies. At every election, candidates go to unions and ask for resources including money, endorsements and volunteers to build their campaigns. The effectiveness and value of this practice of donating quite large sums to political campaigns is questioned by many in the labor movement. There have been many efforts to start a mass party of labor, but none have succeeded organizationally in the long run, though some have impacted the political debate substantially.


This overview should provide a historical context and answer some direct questions that our Vietnamese colleagues have asked.


Starting from Zero —

Starting from Zero

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Christmas Day we had dinner with Cate Poe and Jeff Phelps who are on an Asia trip.  Jeff was in Vietnam as a soldier at a time when it was clear that the US was getting out. No American wanted to be “the last one to die” in a futile war. LIFE magazine did a photo article about Jeff’s unit. He’s in some of the pictures, but not by name.

It starts on page 30.

The article is hard to read. While it mentions the lack of support for the war on the part of the US public and the low morale in the army, it is not an anti-war piece. It’s carefully and tightly about how military discipline is softening in a unit where the soldiers do not want to be there. They are not reluctant because they’re against the war, although some have misgivings. They’re reluctant because they don’t want to die. And that’s all. This distinction is a sharp line, carefully drawn.

Evidence of that sharp line is the use of the word “gooks” at least 6 times. North Vietnamese fighters are called “the enemy” twice and once each for the following: contacts, kills, Communists, and NVA. Talking about the failure of a mission to make contact, the commanding officer says, “Professionally, I’m still hungry.”

A Black soldier who observes that Blacks don’t  get many promotions refers to the North Vietnamese fighters as “the little man.” You can see a peace symbol around one soldier’s neck, long hair on others.

The sympathy is for the soldiers who are dragging their feet, refusing to go out on ambushes, doubtful about the war itself, smoking so much pot that the base “smells like a burning haystack.” None of the sympathy leaks across the line to humanize the enemy, not for a moment. That was not the assignment and the writer of the article was very careful.

Jeff was born in 1949. I was born in 1943. Cate was born in 1955. Joe was born in 1948. So we were spread all around that decade. Dates matter: Jeff was drafted 6 months before the lottery went into effect. Joe got summoned to his third physical at a point in 1971 when the army was keeping anti-war activists out, not punishing them by sending them to Vietnam. When Joe told the shrink at the induction center (in Oakland) what he planned to do when he got into the army,  they gave him a 2-Y, which meant “pathological passive aggressive,” a diagnosis created for war resisters, and pulled out a bottle of whiskey.

On Christmas, we sat at the table for a long time, talking. We ate at an Indian restaurant near Cate and Jeff’s hotel, The Majestic. One topic that came up was “What was the moment at which you realized you were down to zero with knowing about something — when you realized that you were either totally ignorant or else totally wrong about something important?”

My own example is when I was 16 or 17 and in Vienna, on one of my month-long jaunts during the vacations from the school in London where I was an exchange student. I was walking around in the center city one day and met a nice-looking middle-aged woman in a wool suit (it was April) who started talking with me in English. This was 1961. We were commenting about the opera and other concerts, which I was attending as much as possible, until she asked me where I was from. I told her and then asked her where she was from: “Russia.”

I heard the word “Russia” and I took to my heels. I am not kidding. I turned and ran, at least a block and around the corner. The word “Russia” struck such fear into me that I did not even take a breath before I ran away.

Afterwards, I walked around for a while in confusion, but I never figured out what had happened or why I behaved as I did.

Looking back on this, I would name this as a point at which I could be said to have zero knowledge about something very important that was going to matter to my life. Zero!  And in 1961, the US was already in Vietnam.

I am surprised by how ignorant I was. Last summer, going through the old wooden file cabinet in the barn attic in Vermont we found a box full of slides showing Felix Greene’s visits to Vietnam in 1965. This was a set intended to be used in presentations in the US to dissuade the US from supporting the French colonial regime in Vietnam. The US moved from supporting the French to replacing the French, which turned into what is known here as the American War. Slide #50 is missing. Dad’s handwriting on the box of slides says, “Felix Greene Slides of North Vietnam (ONI & FBI took #50 showing Greene and Ho Chi Minh together).” I don’t know what ONI refers to; maybe Office of Naval Intelligence. He was in the Pacific in the Navy in WWII and retired as a Lieutenant Commander.

Slide 17

He and Mom were turned in by a neighbor in Lake Dunmore, Vermont, for showing these slides at a meeting. Dad often gave presentations as local history associations; he was a history teacher. It would be perfectly normal for him to do this presentation. So the FBI came to the house and talked with them. I remember Mom saying she fed them cucumber sandwiches.

In addition to the color slides, the box contains newspaper clippings from the Akron Beacon Journal, a 3 3/4 inch audio tape of Felix Greene talking, a written description of each slide for use when a tape recorder is not available, and a paper about 25 pages long, typewritten on small squares that fit in the box, that gives a history of Vietnam and the war.

We have an appointment with someone at the HCMC War Remnants Museum at 9 am on Wednesday, to see if they would like to accept this box as a donation.